Pre Retcon Beyonder is more insane than his diet coke race counterparts Hickman used (yes they predate Hickman as Kubik in that FF4 comic shows, I know). In terms of power levels, this list is pretty accurate though. 8 years ago. " Classic Beyonder would defeat COIE Anti Monitor and Spectre ( at Peak. Both HotU Thanos and PR Beyonder were vastly greater than LT. Pre-ret beyonder was collapsing parallel dimensions as a byproduct of deep conflicting thought, Thanos could probably achieve this seeing how he wiped the universe clean but Beyonder just seems. The rest of the rounds Marvel is pretty dominant, maybe they could do something in the final round. Iirc PRB was hit by an attack from Molecule Man that could've destroyed billions of dimensions or something and was nigh-omnipresent and nigh-omnipotent. Beyonder: Biography: The man, the myth, the legend. Pre Retcon Beyonder sees an. He's just on a whole nother level from GEB. In Avengers Beyond #1, the Beyonder race was revealed to be created by Cal-Horra (clarified to be a creation of the Celestials in issues #4 – 5) and their power originated. Sorry. Super Power Score and Level. Multi-Oblivion 22. 13 years ago Pre-Retcon Beyonder has been stated to be only millions of times more powerful than a multiverse, which means he has a level of dimensionality that's in the millions or is otherwise infinite. Originally posted by galan7777777. Marvel is hilariously inconsistent with power levels, if we took one off feats and off hand statements we would have thinks like beyond dimensional. To believe that all infinite multiversals are equal is to believe LT would "stalemate" the likes of Time Eater Lavos and Zeedmilleniummon. He is the embodiment of the Beyonder Realm, a place much bigger than the Marvel Multiverse, outside of reality. Round 3 Pre-retcon Beyonder takes this and with a good level of ease. Marvel has it's entire cosmology absolutely filthy with things with a canonical power level of "infinite". 0. Name:' The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who is All, Frank. Imagine PR Beyonder as the ocean. Doctor Manhattan was the only superpowered being in a world of basically ordinary superheroes. But it wont be easy by no means. The fact is, Michael and Lucifer are on LT's level. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. The Beyonder is straight up more powerful than the character used as The One Above All's proxy. MM is superior to LT due to defeating the Beyonders, who one-shotted LT in a. Even though most of Beyonder's feats in SW are still canon, Doom's statement could have *only* been in reference to POST-retcon (ie. 1,102. 0. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A Name:' The. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesPre-Retcon Beyonder just erases the Throne of Heroes, killing every single servant because servants are copies of heroes, made using information from the Throne of Heroes. Lucifer deletes LT, PRB deletes Lucy then recreates LT. #1. Someones who can ONESHOT multiverse > > > > > someones who. When the Beyonder entered Marvel, reality itself ceased to exist. R. 33. As for Wanda feats she reformed the multiverse (not omniverse, just the way it was used here) and ALSO stopped/controlled/dispersed. Master/Crazy Hand, Tabuu, Galeem/Dharkon. Eternity, Death, Living Tribunal, are all way more powerful than the Beyonder. •Beyonder is infinitely bigger than the whole multiverse [which has infinite number of universe in it] •Beyonder is infinitely powerful than all of multiverse combined. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. Wiki Points. The Soruce(DC) 5. Everybody bows down to Pre-retcon Beyonder. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa Secret Wars II, 1985. Molecule Man Beyonder Power 15. #5. 7: Old Lord Thanos. He is his total opposite and equal in power. He was initially depicted. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). CC Goku is outerversal while in Uni Blue, meanwhile Pre retcon Beyonder as far as i know is high outer and has way better feats, apart from being part of a much larger cosmology. Forum Posts. Why does the Beyonder look so cheesy. Omnipotence is true infinity where nothing can go beyond. Follow 15136. Origin: Marvel Comics. 967. Vs. The level is set when. Was mind-haxxed/poisoned by Multiversal knowledge, despite being more than thousands of degrees more powerful than such things. Beyonder 16. Name: The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who Is All, "Frank," Kosmos, The Maker, The Broken One. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. Pre-retcon beyonder is equal toaa in power. A fight which takes place on countless levels other than the physical. Thanos with the HOTU is more powerful than LT as well, though I can't remember any massive feats he had. Bat Manhattan has all his current power as of the last issue from DC Comics. Round 2 : Post Retcon. 1. After discovering and observing our universe (616) through the pinhole, Beyonder destroys an entire galaxy and creates the battle world from it to act as a battlefield for the secret war between the superheroes and villains - Scan 1 and Scan 2. If the individual, then pre-retcon Beyonder wins hands down. Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege ". The Beyonder is no longer able to destroy the Living Tribunal. Probably loses rds 5 and 8. Apr 18, 2021. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. While often portrayed as a misunderstood villain, he has also at times acted as an anti-hero. Follow 379. " So, name someone. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. These are somewhat meaningless, it gets to a point where it's too abstract to try and say something concrete about. when people talk about pre-retcon marvel like pre-retcon beyonder or pre-retcon molecule man what storyline was the retcon. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). 1. #8 Edited By Prince of Saiyans. By the way what is Hajun's power i mean kkk is has no official English translation and baste on what i know from all the translated content his basically Lung from worm and can escalate his power with the. cweaver • 7 yr. It took 3 of the Beyonders to take down the same LT. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Pre-recton Beyonder, was the sum of everything. I agree, but you have to understand that the only things in the Marvel Multiverse more powerful than the Infinity Stones, and by extension the Gauntlet, are the The Living Tribunal, The Heart of the Universe, The Fulcrum (which is the man Jack Kirby himself), pre-retcon Beyonder (arguably), The Marquis of Death (non-canon), and. Theoreticaly speaking yes Pre Retcon Beyonder is above TOAA simply because TOAA is the most powerful being in the marvel universe, and PRB is 1 million times more powerful than the collective. Nope. Creshosk. Combine Pre-Retcon Beyonder and all the Marvel reality warpers, as well as Manhattan and. The mightiest beings (Living Tribunal) are microbes to him. Beyonder is just Metaverse level or Low Metaverse. @hyperbeing said:. But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. The Darkest Knight (Man who laughs) vs The Beyonder. The Beyonder is the physical manifestation of the beyond realm itself, the beyond realm is superior/transcendent over the marvel Multiverse in it's entirety, is beyond all planes of reality and myriad dimensions. The Beyonder stomps. Depends on if he means pre retcon beyonder or the cosmic cube beyonder. TheChoosenMewtwo • 10 mo. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. Follow 11369. Power-level wise, the Beyonder is so far 'beyond' the Anti-Monitor it's not even funny. Thanos Astral Regulator 19. This is the power level used when referring to PR Beyonder or PR Molecule Man. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. That said, Beyonder loses anyway otherwise and badly (really badly) mainly because Lucifer crushes the BeyondRealm and can survive all of Beyonder's max feat and max implied level of power. 8. Follow 41274. Pre retcon Beyonder isn't aware of doctor strange. Sort by:Reinhard or Mercurius could beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Here is my sandbox: Evaluation would be very helpful. 1st Retconned Beyonder < Cosmic Cube. Manhattan is super strong. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. Mr. 10 years ago. Then there is Inhuman/Mutant beyonder who had nothing to do with The beyonders. Beyonder Is so powerful he gets bored even with The most over powered entities. 10 years ago. 0. Pre retcon MM scared the cosmics of the 80s even as groups, they had to just let him pass by out of fear, even beg him to fight Beyonder due to how scared shitless they. Origin: Marvel Comics. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. 5. PRB has a lot of showings that would suggest otherwise. Sensing that the Beyonder is a power beyond the multiverse itself and is capable of granting any wishes,. There are levels of overpowered. 5 years ago. 9 years ago. Femto would oneshot 100% of Marvel not even Pre-Retcon Beyonder can stop this monster, you have to be as powerful as Lucifer Morningstar to have a chance of fighting Femto but even then i would. Going by Cosmology Tiering. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. She/Her. Pre-retcon Beyonder was almost omnipotent. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). " No actually there have been 3 different incarnations of the Beyonder with 3 different power levels. Loki God Of Stories 17. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. the_doctor. This was not just simply the power of Transcendence. Molecule Man, who at the time of the Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the second most powerful being EVER, let off a blast, point blank in the Beyonder's face that was said to be powerful enough to destroy THOUSANDS of dimensions, it was shrugged off by the Beyonder. ago. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (Marvel) vs Lucifer Morningstar (DC/Vertigo) Lucifer win because in terms of raw power beyonder win but you have to remember beyonder isnt smart at all. Gan and Crimson King are basically super-amped versions of P. I mean, Beyonder is going to kill him ONCE and then Doomsday would instantly be at Beyonder's power level AND be immune to reality. Even if. Has no equal or superior, Created Heaven’s (which could be a Universe) with a word and is just flat out stated to be omnipotent with. who universe. Doom took the Beyonder's powers for a while, even with the Infinity Gauntlet Adam Warlock started to show off about his new found Godhood. Nope that’s pre-retcon not post retcon. 5 years. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. I don't know the specifics of how post-retcon Beyonder was nerfed, but the other two rounds are stomps in favor of Beyonder. Beyonder is 1,000,000-2,000,000 times more powerful than an Infinitely Layered Multiverse based on the On-Panel direct estimate. Cubey. Beyonder is not that strong unless you wank him with his omnipotence bs which is stupid considering Michael's power has been stated to be limitless too. At the height of his power, Pre-Retcon Beyonder gave everything that existed a few hours to continue existing before he wiped everything out. 11. Prepare for. I don’t think Lucifer scales above them. . Gender: Inapplicable (As the character stated, "he" was made of energy. He is superior to LT, but to what degree is unknown. Beyonder both times, i find God of stories loki just generally to be wanked by flowery wording and shitty interpretation, hes still currently god of stories and got shit on by Donald Blake who just had some power of Thor and the World Serpant. I think pre-retcon Beyonder may take it. Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty) Respect Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty). Forum Posts. . We already saw alive Gil in the Babylonia arc, he shows the same power level. 1st Retcon - Beyonder was a cosmic cube who dreamed everything (so SW & SW II did not happen) . And to consider, that for being a Creature of all encompassing power, SK's brides arent really that powerfull when 6 of them were already destroyed by SCP and the seventh is simply prevented from existing by using Procedure-110 Montuak. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. Didn't Comic God of Stories affected Pre-Retcon Beyonder? 7 days ago. 3. IMO Lucifer convinces the Beyonder to kill himself. Wich by the way, Beyonder, would just make a tought to undo them all. Characters; Creators; Teams; VolumesHis power level is all over the place. In no way, shape, or form you can scale to the whole thing. super strength is not worth much in such a fight. Yes I'am aware of that but you to remeber that with the Inhuman Beyonder was that this retcon took him back to his Pre-Retcon roots and also everything Pre-Retcon Beyonder did is still cannon to. There's a difference. ) No fan. 2. Reason? Preretcon beyonder can stand against TOAA and LT. Beyonder Pre-Retcon was a REALM. HANDBOOK FOR POST RECTON. Rune King Thor cant beat a fully fed. 1. Defenders Beyond prove GoS abilities work on Beyonders or no. Queen Of Never 25. Follow 3300. Round 2: White Phoenix of the Crown: Beyonder stomps. here are the rules. #2 Edited By Hulkman123. Super forms can change from one battle to the next in power level, although there is. I'm not talking about the power he's given, but more so what's possible that's given to him. Power Grid [27] Intelligence@kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. It could be argued that the HOTU is as powerful as pre-retcon Beyonder, but even if you were to successfully argue that, it's two beings of PR-Beyonder level power against one HOTU. Pre retcon beyonder vs cosmic armour superman Scan-Battle Who wins in a 1v1 fight Round 1. GhostRavage. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. Current Beyonder vs New 52 Spectre. Beyonder is better then the verse it is really to vague an obscure but really they don't seem to come close to his level of power and I doubt they are supposed to be interpreted as such. Gan & Crimson King VS Pre Retcon Beyonder. on Beyonder's page it says he is over a million times more poweDoom manages to steal Beyonder’s power. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. As wanky as it sounds, you've pitted an omnipotent+ being against an omnipotent being. High Hyperverse level (The Beyonder is an infinite dimensional being. meaning that the AR is probably at the level of or maybe even above the true power of DC. You do not scale a boundless entity from its cosmology. Rune King Thor can't beat Omnipotential beings such as The Beyonders and Cosmic Cubes. On the other hand, though, hasn't Doctor Doom. 111 results. We can only scale from their established power levels as they were in 1985, not after the retcon took place. on. Beyonder is 1,000,000-2,000,000 times more powerful than an Infinitely Layered Multiverse based on the On-Panel direct estimate. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. #28 ovy7. @yamiyodare: Living Tribunal has held 2. However, let's remember; PR Beyonder let Dr. I really can't be asked to go. The story is a flashback to the original Secret Wars so he had Pre-Retcon Beyonder's powers, that's the Spider-Man being used. 10 years ago. Meanwhile, the Presence is said to have been created by external forces and is. The Beyonder is a cosmic being of immense power, often labelled as omnipotent during the issues of Secret Wars, and much stronger than all the other cosmic entities. Pre- Retcon Beyonder would not be that much powerful if he came now. MM is not as strong as Beyonder but he's above Living Tribunal, abstracts, IG and other such levels of cosmic power. Biography: The man, the myth, the legend. Anti-monitor was multiversal, Beyonder was hundreds and hundreds of times more powerful than the multiverse and is the poster boy for omnipotence (even though he's nigh omnipotent). It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs. 1. Victor knows about Beyonder's powers so if he knows that LF is powerful than Cosmic cube why doesn't he just says “ Even the powers of The 'Cosmic cube' was. The Life-force is powerful than The Beyonder's power. That's a sense of just what level the Beyonder is at. Wiki Points. -Everything in bleach. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. Followers. Orphic Zeus. Molecule Man can battle Beyonder. Pre-Retcon Beyonder probably is more powerful than current Sky-father Hercules and therefore can/should win. #1 Edited By slacker the hacker. 13 years ago. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. He has the best battle feats, taking on the Celestials, the Molecule Man. Lucifer is a different beast. The Beyonders have nothing to do with Pre Retcon Beyonder. This is came from a Handbook that is for Cosmic Cube Beyonder but this Handbook is a reference to his ORIGINAL character for Beyonder in Secret Wars 1-2No struggle, no real story. Mad Jim Jaspers. Multi-Death 28. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. 0. He is the embodiment of the Beyond-realm which is in fact, another multiverse. Gen. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. The only level higher than fiction is the reality, so unless you think 3812 is about to come into the real world he literally can't ascend above a comic character. No, that was post-retcon Beyonder. who’s full power. They don’t have a weak point in their past to travel to. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the never-ending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's greatest heroes. Goku is low outer at best and byonder is easily outerversal. The Beyonders call the. Spectre. We should really stop putting Beyonder in Threads. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Reality merely became whatever the Beyonder's imagination was. Anti-monitor was multiversal, Beyonder was hundreds and hundreds of times more powerful than the multiverse and is the poster boy for omnipotence (even though he's nigh omnipotent). Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. #28 ovy7. LT. Beyonder - Writer (according to Stan Lee PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality) I pretend nothing!Summary. Powers and Stats. Just checked, you're right, my bad. Hit a Like And Subscribe To Help Out💵 “Wanna Donate/Support? 💵👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇💰PayPal💰. 14 years ago. Dormamu Eternity Power 27. Here are all his interpreted levels of power. HeartLesS 14 d . While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A (more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B (same as The Beyonder). Doom stated the LifeForce >>> the power of Beyonder. 8 years ago. The Beyonder was ALMOST killed by a Universe level attack. the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Also the Beyonder is whatever he decides to be. He is the closest thing to omnipotent without being omnipotent. The rest was necessary PIS to make a more interesting story. And the modern US military can easily beat Homelander, but a few thousand guys are dying. We know that there are multiversals, but Pre-Retcon Beyonders kinda man handled LT from what I understood so it's kinda hard to say who would win. 2. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. Yes, Pre-Retcon Beyonder can erase the fodder low level abstracts from Marvel Multiverse that goes from universal to low-multiversal incarnations bound by physics and that cannot exists outside. But, that was in regard to a. He is. They know that he is capable of ending them with naught but a thought, and that engenders a feeling in them they've never known- fear. Well technically Dr. g: Hulk (strongest variant), Sargeras. let's wait and see his actual feats. I also added scans and references. Pre-Retcon Beyonder can teleport and undo. During most of the trial, he was a silent witness, holding Protege, the Beyonder, and the Guardians of the Galaxy, while the Tribunal, Eternity, and the Hawk God argued the case. They do things that are abtract and non-sensical, but quite frankly so does Beyonder so it's a coin flip imo. • 1 year ago. beyonder is just human level because he looks like a human. On page, on screen, on panel feats. No prep and no knowledge. VS. I will need to have cited evidence for. Scans please? Also was it after Beyonder's Retcon? We can't powerscale old schoold characters from new school ones. That one time Phoenix Force making Pre Retcon Beyonder struggle: is this a testament to her power?. Beyonder displayed far superior implicated power than the. Jim Shooter who was the. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. Does it matter by that logic Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) because he didnt resist doom taking his power thats a contradiction in your opinion about PR Beyonder. Forum Posts. Reviews: 0. Thanos HOTU has a fraction of the power of the One-Above-All, the most powerful being of both the Marvel and DC Universes. ]Just because that occurred, does not mean Pre-Retcon Beyonder's "im ominoptent" statement holds any weight. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. 3. Wiki Points. After that he was retconned to a far less powerful cosmic cube. Stronger than all other beings in the Multiverse, Including Abstracts. 0. In dc put in Bat Mite and Superman prime the. GEB=Anti Pressence. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. so MM was infinite chain levels of infinity power leveled. Victory by permanent death or erasure. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. 1. Pre Retcon Beyonder = TOAA > Eternity. Beyonder is kicked away. So they pretty much stomps the likes of Galactus, Mephisto and etc who are universal at most. When he. Mutant Inhuman Beyonder. g: Master Roshi, Donkey Kong. Poll Eru Iluvatar vs Beyonder ( Pre Retcon ) (41 votes) Eru 61%. The Beyonder beat them rather easily - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3,. Making the Molecule Man a bomb created by said Beyonders for each reality. 43. During Fantastic Four #319, the Beyonder was retconned into being an incomplete Cosmic Cube, with the Molecule Man as his other half. Gender: Inapplicable (As the character stated, "he" was made of energy and could assume any gender that "he" wanted) Age: Unknown. There is nothing he can do to hurt him while Beyonder can snap his finger and destroy Flash and the universe. Momentarily Matches Beyonder in a battle that causes Multiversal TremorsBut my vote for Pre-Retcon Beyonder just cause marvel writers stated he been TOAA in his own multiverse and all combine power in all multiverse in a millions times lower than him . -Everything in bleach. RRPanther • 7 mo. #1 Hello, I completely redid Beyonder's power and abilities section from scratch. So I might be missing something. But Pre-retcon Beyonder is just a cut above the rest in terms of these characters. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 21 K. ImKindaANiceGuy • 3 yr. "Pre retcon beyonder" had no limits and couldn't be destroyed. Bernkastel first summoned few thousands kitties, Will resisted for a while, but it did not take long for the cats to rip off one of his. 2nd Retcon - The BEyonder. ago. Pre-Retcon Beyonder and LT would be about the same power level, imo. Eru Iluvatar is more like SCP 3812 but. Powers are basically the same thing. 8 years ago. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:.